|Yes||Yes||Mix||Lane; Multi-Use Path; Sharrow; Mix||Yes||Option A||Yes|
|Yes||Yes||Conceptual Option #2||Lane; Multi-Use Path; Sharrow||No||Option B||Yes|
The 14 - 15 ft multipurpose path should be on the north side of the bridge and connect to the greenspace on the east end with the multipurpose path heading toward eagle avenue. There should be sharrows and bike boxes at the intersection at Ontario and any other intersection to provide priority for bikes.
Th multipurpose path should continue to Gerhing on the north side of lorain to allow for a tranisiton to the market and to the 25 mile hour road. A multipurpose path and signage should wrap under the bridge and traffic both east and west should be encouraged to go that route instead of east bound going up to west 2oth street. This should be reserved for the road bicyclists.
Lighting is important and having a clean smooth concrete barrier that is as low as possible. Sharrows are essntial and recommend increasing ht eshoulder on the south (eastbound) and expanding hte multipurpose path on the northside to 15 ft, reduce the shoulder on that side. Don't like either option for the railing.
|Yes||Yes||Conceptual Option #1||Lane; Multi-Use Path; Sharrow||No||Option B||Yes|
Multipupose path should be on the north side of the bridge and connect to the greenspace and multi purpose path heading up to eagle.
Multipurpose path shoudl extend to Gehring. Shouold direct traffic in both directions headed to tremont to the path that wraps under the bridge to West 18th street. Direct east bound bike traffice this way while still providing sharrows for the road way bikers up 20th streeet.
Increase multipurpose path on north side of bridge to 15 feet by reducing the shoulder on that side of the bridge, Increase shoulder on south side Eastbound to 2 feet from one. Use Sharrows and bike boxes.
Don't know what the "Complete Streets" philosophy is.
|None||Lane; None||No||Option B||No|
I believe that before you even consider bike enhancements, you should take a look at the Veterans-Memorial Bridge. The bicyclists need to follow the specified bike paths and know the rules. In addition, I do not believe the amount of bicyclists jsutifies the exhorbitant cost of the modifications. Finally, before lighting the Guardians, they should be repaired, cleaned and sealed - money should be spent on this in lieu of bike lanes and such; it is an historic structure.
ODOT has done a great job at looking at numerous options that include more than just motorized users. Thank you!
|Conceptual Option #3||Multi-Use Path; Sharrow||Yes||Option A||Yes|
Crossing and/or turning left is really difficult all through this area because it is such a vast swath of pavement and also because motorized vehicles heading east are usually speeding as they come downhill from Hope Memorial. Anything you can do to take away pavement, create things to slow motorists down and/or increase speed enforcement will make the area safer for everyone
As a result of this initiative with the bridge, I discovered the W18th way under the bridge and I use it all the time instead of making a left from Hope Memorial to head towards my home in Brooklyn Centre. Please put up some signage and painted marking on the roadways so that more cyclists find out about this bike route.
The verbal comments made at the meeting regarding speed are extremely valid. You can design and build incredibly safe and inclusive streets and bridges, but if motorists drive too fast all is for naught. There needs to be more enforcement via electronic cameras or other enforcement means.
|Yes||Yes||Conceptual Option #3||Multi-Use Path||Yes||Option A||Yes|
Railing Option A and Option B are not shown. I do however like the combination jersy barrier with railing.
The four alternatives are better for bicyclists and peds than what exists but it looks like the study does not focus on the hard part-- getting through the intersection at either end.
|Conceptual Option #4||Lane||Yes||Option A||Yes|
The PDF for the east end looked like a selection of generic ideas. At a minimum the end should be shown in plan to see how difficult it will be to bicycle through the intersection to Carnegie. It's great that the bridge cross section is being studied but the challenge is getting through the intersection and changing lanes without getting squashed.
The best way to know what is needed is to ride it yourself (if you haven't)and then prescribe what should be done. A bike box at the light might work if drivers knew what they were.
Thanks for considering bicyclists' comments. If given the choice, I'd rather see the funds and expertise focused on bicyclists' comfort beyond the bridge itself. Has anyone from ODOT ridden a bike eastbound and tried to keep riding to Carnegie?
yes, but a mix best achieves the designation.
|Mix||Lane; Multi-Use Path; Mix||Yes||Option A||Yes|
a mini park at the northwest corner at Ontario and Carnegie across from Progressive Field would be a nice stop over.
improved connection to the West Side Market
It seems to me a 6' sidewalk and a 6' bike lane on the south side (with a barrier) and a 12' all purpose trail on the north side would serve everyone's needs (walkers, recreational cyclists, roller bladers and serious bikers).
It depends on which option is used. I cycle the bridge almost daily for my commute. The current bike lane without a barrier is used as a breakdown lane. So, any option without a bike lane barrier will be filled with glass, car parts and broken down automobiles. However, there are other bridges in Cleveland with pedestrian barriers (Abbey) and when we have snow and ice, it accumulates because of the barrier and does not get plowed. Almost all winter, everyone bikes and walks in the street because the barriers make those sidewalks impassable. So, I think yes to barriers, but also a maintenance plan to plow the multi-use lanes during a snow event. The multi-use lane should have a clearly painted bike lane to prevent accidents.
|Conceptual Option #3||Lane; Multi-Use Path||Yes||Option A||Yes|
On the East end, the bike lane should continue accross the Ontario intersection clearly marked. Also there should be "Share the road signage" in that area.
On the West End, again the bike lane should continue through the busy W 25th intersection.
I like barriers, but there should be breaks to allow pedestrians and cyclists to exit the multi-use path if needed. As someone who cycles at night in an urban area, pedestrians and cyclists need to have a way to exit the enclosed multi-use path if they feel threatened.
We need to spend more time and effort planning the bike and pedestrian transitions to streets, trails and sidewalks at both the east and west ends of the bridge
I think the best option is for a pedestrian sidewald on both sides of the bridge combined with a bi-directional bike path on the North side of the bridge adjacent to the sidewalk. The curb lane on the South side of the bridge should be narrowed to the minumum allowed for vehicles and sharrows shold be painted for bikes going East. The East end North side should connect to the all purpose trail at least. The sounth bike lane should end in a bike "block" painted at the intersection. This is my first impression based on meeting discussions and feedback.
Haven't spent enought time or sketched out possibilities but trails should extend all the way to W 25th street in some safe design.
I think eventually that an under the bridge access makes the most sense. There is structure available with plenty of overhead clearance and at least 15' width. The slide shown in the meeting last week shows an existing access path but it is below the strucutre put in for streetcars and therefore doesn't afford enought overhead clearance. I will assume that was just a mistake and not intentionally misleading.
|Yes||Yes||Conceptual Option #1||Multi-Use Path; Sharrow; Mix||Yes||Option B||Yes|
Extend multi-purpose trail on the northside of the Lorain - Carnegie bridge across the new greenspace being created when the triangular piece of roadway is removed along Ontario. cross the eastside of Ontario at Eagle Ave.
Extend multi-purpose trail on the northside of the Lorain - Carnegie Bridge as far to the west as possible. if it could reach the Westside Market parking lot that would be great.
|Yes||Don't know||Conceptual Option #3||Lane; Multi-Use Path||Yes||Option A||Yes|
|Yes||Yes||Conceptual Option #3||Lane; Multi-Use Path||Yes||Option A||Yes|
I think if barriers are included in the plans, that distinctive lanes in the mixed-used ped/bike path should be made. A shared walk is always difficult between cyclists and pedestrians. A good example would be the mixed-use path on the Golden Gate bridge. It is hard to navigate on a bike with pedestrians, and can be just as dangerous as cyclists close to motorists.